@snarfed.org Thanks for doing this … a thoughtful post as always. It’s a great distinction between a (useful!) hobbyist project and a supported infrastrcture project. The open question of “who makes the decisions” relates to what I was discussing in the previous post.
Agreed with your suggestions of the kinds of entities that could be good homes for this. It looks different if it’s at a for-profit corporation like Flipboard or a revenue-generating non-profit like Ghost as opposed to a multipolar non-profit organization like IFTAS (if it’s in scope) or SWF. If and when soebody does take it over I think it’s crucial to continue to prioritize safety, as you very much have been doing. Obviously that’s IFTAS’ charter, and @mallory@techpolicy’s focus on minimizing harms aligns with that as well, so perhaps some kind of partnership makes sene
And in general I think bridging, as a mechanism to connect fediverses (and subnetworks within a fediverse), hasn’t been explored much. For example bridging could be a good way to deal with the likely partition of today’s Fedivese once Threads starts two-way federation. Of course the “Big Fedi” view of a partition is that it’s a bad thing, but unless and until platforms such as Mastodon can provide better tools for people to protect themselves (which may or may not be on the horizon), LGBTQIA2S+ people at risk of being targeted from hate groups like Libs of Tik Tok that Meta gives free rein to will be safer on instances that are transitively defederated. Meta’s asymmetrical bridge — opt-in for people on Threads, opt-out for instances and people in the rest of the Fediverse — doesn’t address that risk; and making it opt-out in both directions wouldn’t help. So either Big Fed cuts itself off from LBGTQIA2S+ people, or some other approach is needed. Bridging, perhaps? So I certainly hope whoever takes over Bridgy Fed is thinking about stuff like this.
@snarfed.org Thanks for doing this … a thoughtful post as always. It’s a great distinction between a (useful!) hobbyist project and a supported infrastrcture project. The open question of “who makes the decisions” relates to what I was discussing in the previous post.
Agreed with your suggestions of the kinds of entities that could be good homes for this. It looks different if it’s at a for-profit corporation like Flipboard or a revenue-generating non-profit like Ghost as opposed to a multipolar non-profit organization like IFTAS (if it’s in scope) or SWF. If and when soebody does take it over I think it’s crucial to continue to prioritize safety, as you very much have been doing. Obviously that’s IFTAS’ charter, and @mallory‘s focus on minimizing harms aligns with that as well, so perhaps some kind of partnership makes sene
And in general I think bridging, as a mechanism to connect fediverses (and subnetworks within a fediverse), hasn’t been explored much. For example bridging could be a good way to deal with the likely partition of today’s Fedivese once Threads starts two-way federation. Of course the “Big Fedi” view of a partition is that it’s a bad thing, but unless and until platforms such as Mastodon can provide better tools for people to protect themselves (which may or may not be on the horizon), LGBTQIA2S+ people at risk of being targeted from hate groups like Libs of Tik Tok that Meta gives free rein to will be safer on instances that are transitively defederated. Meta’s asymmetrical bridge — opt-in for people on Threads, opt-out for instances and people in the rest of the Fediverse — doesn’t address that risk; and making it opt-out in both directions wouldn’t help. So either Big Fed cuts itself off from LBGTQIA2S+ people, or some other approach is needed. Bridging, perhaps? So I certainly hope whoever takes over Bridgy Fed is thinking about stuff like this.
@snarfed.org This question of whether bridges are core infrastructure is really interesting. You’re right that infrastructure needs the right organisational structure and governance.
If I was designing the Fediverse from the ground up, I certainly wouldn’t include bridges in the design. They are a symptom of our collective failure to land on a single agreed mechanism for federation. But we are where we are, and we need to be pragmatic about the way forward.
@snarfed.org Thanks for doing this … a thoughtful post as always. It’s a great distinction between a (useful!) hobbyist project and a supported infrastrcture project. The open question of “who makes the decisions” relates to what I was discussing in the previous post.
Agreed with your suggestions of the kinds of entities that could be good homes for this. It looks different if it’s at a for-profit corporation like Flipboard or a revenue-generating non-profit like Ghost as opposed to a multipolar non-profit organization like IFTAS (if it’s in scope) or SWF. If and when soebody does take it over I think it’s crucial to continue to prioritize safety, as you very much have been doing. Obviously that’s IFTAS’ charter, and @mallory@techpolicy’s focus on minimizing harms aligns with that as well, so perhaps some kind of partnership makes sene
And in general I think bridging, as a mechanism to connect fediverses (and subnetworks within a fediverse), hasn’t been explored much. For example bridging could be a good way to deal with the likely partition of today’s Fedivese once Threads starts two-way federation. Of course the “Big Fedi” view of a partition is that it’s a bad thing, but unless and until platforms such as Mastodon can provide better tools for people to protect themselves (which may or may not be on the horizon), LGBTQIA2S+ people at risk of being targeted from hate groups like Libs of Tik Tok that Meta gives free rein to will be safer on instances that are transitively defederated. Meta’s asymmetrical bridge — opt-in for people on Threads, opt-out for instances and people in the rest of the Fediverse — doesn’t address that risk; and making it opt-out in both directions wouldn’t help. So either Big Fed cuts itself off from LBGTQIA2S+ people, or some other approach is needed. Bridging, perhaps? So I certainly hope whoever takes over Bridgy Fed is thinking about stuff like this.
@tchambers @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @hallenbeck @evan @jaz @chrismessina @bnewbold
@snarfed.org Thanks for doing this … a thoughtful post as always. It’s a great distinction between a (useful!) hobbyist project and a supported infrastrcture project. The open question of “who makes the decisions” relates to what I was discussing in the previous post.
Agreed with your suggestions of the kinds of entities that could be good homes for this. It looks different if it’s at a for-profit corporation like Flipboard or a revenue-generating non-profit like Ghost as opposed to a multipolar non-profit organization like IFTAS (if it’s in scope) or SWF. If and when soebody does take it over I think it’s crucial to continue to prioritize safety, as you very much have been doing. Obviously that’s IFTAS’ charter, and @mallory‘s focus on minimizing harms aligns with that as well, so perhaps some kind of partnership makes sene
And in general I think bridging, as a mechanism to connect fediverses (and subnetworks within a fediverse), hasn’t been explored much. For example bridging could be a good way to deal with the likely partition of today’s Fedivese once Threads starts two-way federation. Of course the “Big Fedi” view of a partition is that it’s a bad thing, but unless and until platforms such as Mastodon can provide better tools for people to protect themselves (which may or may not be on the horizon), LGBTQIA2S+ people at risk of being targeted from hate groups like Libs of Tik Tok that Meta gives free rein to will be safer on instances that are transitively defederated. Meta’s asymmetrical bridge — opt-in for people on Threads, opt-out for instances and people in the rest of the Fediverse — doesn’t address that risk; and making it opt-out in both directions wouldn’t help. So either Big Fed cuts itself off from LBGTQIA2S+ people, or some other approach is needed. Bridging, perhaps? So I certainly hope whoever takes over Bridgy Fed is thinking about stuff like this.
@tchambers @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @hallenbeck @evan @jaz @chrismessina @bnewbold
@snarfed.org This question of whether bridges are core infrastructure is really interesting. You’re right that infrastructure needs the right organisational structure and governance.
If I was designing the Fediverse from the ground up, I certainly wouldn’t include bridges in the design. They are a symptom of our collective failure to land on a single agreed mechanism for federation. But we are where we are, and we need to be pragmatic about the way forward.
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