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Fediverse! I’ve been building a bridge to Bluesky, and they’re turning on federation soon, which means my bridge will be available soon too. You’ll be able to follow people on Bluesky from here in the fediverse, and vice versa.

Bluesky is a broad network with lots of worthwhile people and conversations! I hope you’ll give it a chance. Only fully public content is bridged, not followers-only, unlisted, or otherwise private posts or profiles. Still, if you want to limit or block the bridge, I understand, the domain to block is bsky.brid.gy. Alternatively, I can also opt you out in the bridge itself. Feel free to DM me at @snarfed@indieweb.social (different account than this one), email me, file a GitHub issue, or put #nobridge in your profile bio.

Admins, likewise, if you don’t want your instance to federate with Bluesky over the bridge, the domain to limit or block is bsky.brid.gy.

A number of us have thought about this for a while now, we’re committed to making it work well for everyone, and we’re very open to feedback. Thanks for listening. Feel free to share broadly.

cc @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews


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  1. @snarfed.org There’s lots of news accounts I follow on Bluesky but I much prefer the depth of features available on Mastodon plus Ivory is just ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

  2. @snarfed.org@snarfed.org @snarfed @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I’m a big fan of bridges and this is the big one I’ve been eagerly waiting for. I’ll probably add it to my wizard soon after it’s available. Once the moderation issues get sorted out, I firmly believe that in the end, this will be a net positive for both networks, since Bluesky users will be able to follow and engage with the vibrant and growing communities and services here, and we’ll be able to follow and engage with shitposters from Bluesky.

    The moderation issues should be sorted out promptly, and I’m a little disappointed that you’re going to open it up with little consideration about mod tooling, especially considering the lists and lists of known problematic users on Bluesky, from mere crypto-shills and scammers to bigots, transphobes, racists, fascists, and genocide supporters. I don’t have any way to find or use Bluesky’s mod lists from here so there needs to be some other way.

    Plus, I’m sure Bluesky users want a way to mass-mute and mass-block bridged users, maybe even from particular instances, especially considering our ongoing tone police and reply guy problems, which have driven numerous people from here to there. I feel like this part is imminently solvable with automatically-populated moderation list(s), though.

  3. Excited to see this working! There’s a lot of people on bluesky id love to follow, but I’d rather use fedi over bluesky. I see a lot of people pointing out issues, but rome wasn’t built in a day. I’m sure you’ll be able to figure them out in due time! Getting something, anything, done and building off that is an important part of ironing out potential issues. Thank you for your hard work and I can’t wait to see this deployed!!

  4. @snarfed.org if it’s complete 2 way federation that seems almost seemless, that’d be cool. If the BlueSky users are just following a phantom account, then i don’t see how it can be useful as there wouldn’t be actual interaction between the two systems.

  5. @snarfed.org

    Opt-out violates consent. Peter posts on the Fediverse, so that his friends on another Fedi instance can read his daily thoughts. He knows that there are many other people on the Fedi who can also see his posts. He is OK with that; indeed, he hopes for a wider Fedi audience. But he hates all commercial platforms, including BS. He wants his posts hidden from BS. Regardless, your bridge links Peter’s posts into BS, against his wishes and without his knowledge. Don’t!

  6. @snarfed.org Just want to say thank you for all your work on this! I’m on BlueSky as well but not comfortable with their VC backing. It’s going to be nice to be able to interact with folks on there from my Mastodon account!

  7. Holy privacy violation, Batman!
    Please change it to an opt-in function.

  8. @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I am excited for this, thank you for the time and effort you’re putting into building this ActivityPub <> ATproto bridge, especially the two-way communication support! I have had very poor experiences with BlueSky myself, but I have multiple friends that prefer it and just aren’t interested in Fedi. It will be amazing to be able to rebuild that part of my social circle and keep tabs with them, while still being able to utilize the filtering and timeline curation tools that only Mastodon provides right now.

  9. @snarfed.org I don’t see how you can legally opt everyone in, forcing them to take action to opt out. I hope your attorney is on retainer, cause this sure seems like a violation of the GDPR, as well little things like TOS. This is a bad decision. Do not do this. Obviously, opt me out if you continue with this path.

  10. @snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy @snarfed@indieweb.social I’d just like to add my voice to the users expressing frustration that this is opt-out instead of opt-in. A lot of the reason a number of us are on the Fediverse instead of the corporate silos such as bluesky is because we want control of where our data is going. I know that’s like playing whack a mole to a degree, but we have a lot more control on Fedi. Making something opt-out errodes that control and enshittifies this experience for everyone.

    This needs to be Opt-In, not Opt-out, because not everyone is going to get this boosted into their timeline before someone tries to connect with them via your bridge.

  11. @snarfed.org This should be opt-in, not opt-out. The vast majority of the Fediverse statistically doesnโ€™t follow you, and may never see your post even if itโ€™s boosted – how will they know to ask to be opted out?

    Your intentions are good but misguided. Please opt me out – if I want to interact with Bluesky, Iโ€™ll do it myself. Thanks!

  12. @snarfed.org Of course youโ€™re a white dude. Only a white dude can spend 12 years building social networks and fail to learn anything.

    Not everyone has your fucking threat model. You are literally going to hurt marginalized people with your stupid toy.

    Stop everything and spend a few years learning consent and how to not enable fascist pieces of shits.

  13. @snarfed.org thanks for the heads-up! Blocked the domain on the server level. Centralized corporate social media always goes to shit, so it’s nice to block it out from day 1.

  14. @snarfed.org Congrats on your work. BUT, not everyone would make the same choices you have about where their data ends up. Be a considerate member of the community and respect that many users here have made very deliberate choices NOT to join Bluesky, Threads and whatever mess big tech throws up next. Have you considered the moderation issues, the privacy issues, the GDPR issues and the not being a dick issues at all?!

  15. @snarfed.org This is a gross misuse of the fediverse.

    Reconsider and make this opt in only.

    What is the user agent and IP you use for crawling the fediverse?

  16. @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews A lot of people are upset about this but ya’ll know, straight up, if your feed is live & people not auth’d can read your server feed you don’t have privacy. Mastodon and the fediverse in general never said anything about expectations of privacy.

    Snarfed here could have been a bad actor and never told you anything and as far as I know it’s in the clear.

    If you don’t like it, block the bridge and move on.

  17. @snarfed.org

    If people WANTED to be on another commercial network, they would have signed up for that.

    No one has given you permission to copy our data to a commercial site that we have not signed the TOS.

    Using peoples creativity and data on other commercial sites.

    How dare you.

  18. @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews This should be opt-in, not opt-out. BlueSky doesn’t use ActivityPub and, therefore, the tools users have to protect themselves on Mastodon are incompatible with your bridge.

    I’ll be talking with the other moderators and admins of furry-focused servers to inform them of this new risk to marginalized users and I’m confident they’ll be taking appropriate actions to keep our communities safe.

  19. @snarfed.org you should not be setting this up as opt-out

    I didn’t consent to be part of your experiment, and if I wanted an account on some other network I’d have one

  20. Thank you all for the feedback, both good and bad. I knew Iโ€™d hear some pushback that this should be opt in instead of opt out, and I obviously did. Iโ€™ve also had some useful conversations and ideas on how to bridge (ahem ๐Ÿ˜„) that gap and make opt in more realistically usable, along with a few interesting compromise points between opt in and opt out. Iโ€™m grateful to everyone today who engaged and talked constructively and offered those new techniques. Itโ€™s very possible that this will land somewhere along that spectrum other than fully opt out.

    I had plenty of work to do already before launch, and now I have a number of other important ideas to explore too. Thatโ€™s great! I really do appreciate it. Iโ€™ll definitely check back in well before this launches.

  21. I donโ€™t quite understand why the linked post only tells instance admins to limit or block โ€˜bsky.brid.gyโ€™ and users to use a hashtag; users can block instances too.

  22. @snarfed.org From what I know about ActivityPub, the “activityPubish” way to do that is:
    Each instance gets own account like @bsky.app@instance.name, which is used for opt-in of bridging by explicitly following it, and also, for registering auth keys/setup for flows like “sign in with Mastodon” at bsky.app.

  23. This is similar to your feed reader (a foreign network protocol) subscribing to the RSS feed of your Mastodon account.

    Itโ€™s open. The rules of the protocol are being followed. There is no opt-in for that RSS feed โ€” other than turning on โ€œrequest to followโ€ in your Mastodon account.

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